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#14146 - 12/07/04 06:56 AM What type of keypad to use?
Ken Borg Offline
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Hi all,

I'm looking at buying an Ocelot in a week or so along with a SECU-16IR. I want to be able to control my audio equipment from a second zone with in wall keypads. I don't need any sort of dimming abilities in these, I just want to be able to select different sources (cd, tuner, etc), power on/off, adjust volume, next/previous track. What type of kepads do you recommend? I assume the best way to do this would be to send an X-10 command to the ocelot, which will send the appropriate IR command to the selected component in my closet?

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#14147 - 12/07/04 07:39 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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I don't know of too many in-wall X10 keypads that will have more then about 8, tiny buttons in a single gang electrical box. Above that, you would need a larger "keypad", which would likely be a touchscreen like the ADI Leopard and such, but these cost a lot more.
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#14148 - 12/07/04 02:32 PM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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Ken,

You might want to consider an IR keypad instead of an X-10 keypad. Something like Xantech:

http://www.xantech.com/mrc88/keypad.htm

or maybe Russound:

http://www.russound.com/index.htm

or maybe Niles:

http://www.nilesaudio.com/products/intellipad.html

There are others.

Chris

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#14149 - 12/07/04 02:35 PM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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Ken,

You might want to consider an IR keypad instead of an X-10 keypad. Something like Xantech:

http://www.xantech.com/mrc88/keypad.htm

or maybe Russound:

http://www.russound.com/index.htm

or maybe Niles:

http://www.nilesaudio.com/products/intellipad.html

Another Solution from Smarthome.com

http://www.smarthome.com/8162.html

There are others.

Chris

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#14150 - 12/08/04 05:03 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
Ken Borg Offline
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Thanks for the suggestions Chris. So, would I connect the keypad(s) to the ocelot's IR input, or is there something else I would need to purchase above and beyond the keypads?
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#14151 - 12/08/04 06:06 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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Ken,

I think the Xantech IR receivers will plug directly into the Ocelot. Someone else on this board will have to verify. But for this portion of your project I'm not so sure you even need the Ocelot. Take a look at the attached diagram I pulled off of the Smarthome.com website for an example Xantech setup. Most other manufactures of this stuff are set up similarly. You need some keypads, some type of connecting block and then some emitters to run to your IR controlled equipment:

http://www.smarthome.com/images/8193dgm.gif

Hope that helps.

Chris

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#14152 - 12/08/04 06:12 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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Ken,

SpeakerCraft makes some nice looking stuff too.

www.SpeakerCraft.com

Chris

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#14153 - 12/10/04 08:00 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
Ken Borg Offline
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Loc: Brampton, Ontario, Canada
That's great information Chris, thanks again.

Now, lets say I want a button that shuts off all of my equipment, AND shuts off the lights. In that case, I would want to send out some X10 commands. The Ocelot would work well in that situation, I suspect. Or a keypad at the front door to set the house to "away" mode. Turn everything off, turn on the outside lights, turn down the temperature for example.

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#14154 - 12/10/04 09:32 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
Guy Lavoie Administrator Offline
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What you want to do is trigger a macro in the Ocelot. This can be done either by X10 or by an IR command that the Ocelot receives and recognizes. It could also be done through its serial port with a command that sets a variable or something similar. This means that a Xantech system that generates IR commands using keypads or whatever could also trigger the Ocelot if you put an emitter over the Ocelot's IR receiver window.
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#14155 - 12/10/04 09:51 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
Ken Borg Offline
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Yes, but could I do this without the connecting block? Couldn't I connect straight into the Secu16ir from the keypad, as if it were a connecting block?
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#14156 - 12/10/04 11:24 AM Re: What type of keypad to use?
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No. The SECU16's "IR-In" jack is not connected to the internal logic and cannot be used as IR input for the controller. According to ADI, that jack was only used for an OEM application where an incoming IR signal would be replicated on all the output ports (or something like that). For IR input to the Ocelot, you will need to provide it with a real IR signal going to its detector window (or to an external IR receiver dongle). Whether you use connecting blocks, Powermids or whatever is up to you.
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