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#13730 - 01/09/04 07:05 PM RF Question???
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A quick question for the pro's.

If ADI had an RF interface that allowed the Ocelot/Leopard to talk to remote SECU modules, would it be worth $80/module?

We already have the interfaces in-use at some OEM installations.

You can still use hard-wired modules, but add the interface to "difficult to wire" modules.
The range is about 300 feet.
The operating frequency is 900 MHz, but there is no interference with cordless phones.

Would this be a good addition to the Adicon line?

Dan

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#13731 - 01/09/04 07:10 PM Re: RF Question???
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If I get this right, the RF modules create a bridge for the Adnet bus? A couple of questions:

- Is this strictly between two points or does it support a master talking to several modules, each with its own RF module (the half duplex nature of the Adnet bus should make this quite simple)?

- Whether its just two nodes or more as I just asked, do you mean that it costs $80 per node?

- Does the RF unit use the same 12v power as the modules?

This sounds like it could be handy for certain situations like installing a SECU16IR near a home theater (because of all the mini emitter wires) where getting the bus wiring out to that location would be difficult.
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#13732 - 01/09/04 07:28 PM Re: RF Question???
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Dan

It would be for me. And I agree with Guy. If it talks to more than one remote.
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#13733 - 01/09/04 07:33 PM Re: RF Question???
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If I get this right, the RF modules create a bridge for the Adnet bus?

Yes, it acts as invisible wire.


- Is this strictly between two points or does it support a master talking to several modules, each with its own RF module?


One master to several modules.
You can still have hardwired modules, both on the Ocelot, and on the receiving RF interface.

As an example:
You hardwire the modules in your house.
The can place one RF interface in your remote barn, and wire several modules to that one interface.
You add a second RF interface on your boat dock. You can connect additional modules to that interface.

- Whether its just two nodes or more as I just asked, do you mean that it costs $80 per node?

Each RF interface is $80. You need at least two.
One connected to the Ocelot/Leopard, a second at the recieving end. You can add as many RF interfaces as needed.

These are really intended for "difficult to wire" applications. You will probably still elect to hardwire modules that are near the Ocelot/Leopard.

But, this is real handy for driveway sensors, or remote outbuildings. No need to bury wire in the yard.

Dan

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#13734 - 01/09/04 07:43 PM Re: RF Question???
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They look like this...


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#13735 - 01/10/04 07:09 AM Re: RF Question???
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So in essence, these are half-duplex RS485 to RF converters. These could actually find several applications with a bit of additionnal external components. Cool. Did you need to obtain some kind of FCC approval for their RF frequency? And for other countries?

Judging from the openings we can see on the covers, they appear to use the same boxes as the Speakeasy.
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#13736 - 01/10/04 12:56 PM Re: RF Question???
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So, I guess one could have a remotely located SpeakEasy module without worrying about running a line to it. Cool.
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#13737 - 01/10/04 05:34 PM Re: RF Question???
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The RF interface uses an internal RF module that has FCC approval for USA applications.

I'll have to check on CANADA.

Dan

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#13738 - 01/11/04 09:55 AM Re: RF Question???
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YES YES YES!

Especially at 900 Mhz!

I'm maxed out on 2.4Ghz with WiFi and 6 2.4Ghz cams!

I also use 5 900Mhz phones, so if no conflict with phones, then bring it on!
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#13739 - 01/11/04 01:41 PM Re: RF Question???
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Yes, I can think of two applications here. One for a detached garage and the other in the control panel in my spa/hot tub.
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#13740 - 01/12/04 04:41 AM Re: RF Question???
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I like it! Most of my unfinished projects require running wire long distance and this would fix that!!
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#13741 - 01/12/04 05:43 AM Re: RF Question???
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Add my vote to the "YES!" list. As per thutchins' post, my unfinished projects involved yet-to-be-made wiring runs.

My wish list would also include a fairly wide operating temperature, for location in un-heated and/or un-cooled areas in or around the house.

Jeff

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#13742 - 01/12/04 07:43 AM Re: RF Question???
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Yes please. It would really help me in eliminating extra wire runs in existing construction.

Sal

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#13743 - 01/12/04 07:47 AM Re: RF Question???
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Would there be a better pricing if purchased as a pair, or say 3 or more at a time?
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#13744 - 01/12/04 08:47 AM Re: RF Question???
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So it looks like there is a market for the RF interfaces.
I'll get with our distributors and work out a plan to get these stocked.

Re: pricing on 2+ units. Once your distributor has stock, ask them that question.

Dan

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#13745 - 01/12/04 11:15 AM Re: RF Question???
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To clarify, will one transmitter wired to the Ocelot (adnet buss, I assume) work with multiple receivers? So, if you had 3 remote locations you wished to have modules, you'd purchase 4 RF units?

Deane

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#13746 - 01/12/04 11:27 AM Re: RF Question???
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Yes, that's right, but you could also then have several modules connected at any of those locations too. For example:

In the house: Ocelot-SECU16-SEUCU16IR-RF module

Garage: RF module-temperature bobcat-SECU16

Outside cabinet: RF module-temperature bobcat-RLY8XA

etc.
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#13747 - 01/12/04 12:08 PM Re: RF Question???
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This seems like a major leap forward in flexibility.

Deane

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#13748 - 01/13/04 09:43 AM Re: RF Question???
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Finally! I could use few of these. However, the price point seems to be a bit high.

$80 for a pair of these would be very attractive and maybe $40-60 for additional modules would make this product very attractive and likely result in good sales volume from the get go.

Ivan

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#13749 - 01/13/04 10:21 AM Re: RF Question???
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Anything over $100 a pair is going to make me have to think hard about whether to bite the bullet and run wire. $100 MSRP would usually translate to about $80+ at a distributor using Worthington as an example.

Expansion to multiple non-wirable locations has to be cost-efficient to the customer, hence my earlier question about bulk pricing.

Sal

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