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#21775 - 04/12/10 07:37 AM SECU16IR no transmitting IR
Anthony deAraujo Offline
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Hi All,

Simple setup, or so I thought.

Ocelot, wired to a couple of SECU16s, a couple of RLY8XAs and one SECU16IR.

Using HAL2000, but let's not get into that. Assume that I am using CMAX for my testing.

If I plug an emitter into the Ocelot's IR OUT port and do a "Transmit IR" in CMAX, it works fine. This tells me that the IR code stored in the Ocelot is correct (since it actually did what it was supposed to do to the device, in this case turn it off).

I take that same emitter and plug it into the SECU16IR, Zone 1. Using CMAX, I do a "Transmit Remote IR", put in module #2 (which is the address for the 16IR in my setup), Zone #1, and the IR #. Nothing happens. No blink on the emitter, no IR output on the emitter.

I've tried Zone #0, different IR #s, etc. It's like the SECU16IR is not transmitting at all.

I've established (as described above) that the Ocelot is working fine. How can I ascertain whether communication between the Ocelot and the SECU16IR is working ? I've done a "Retrieve Module Parameters" and it seems to retrieve data from all 5 of my modules.

Here is some info I have gathered from various locations on the net, let me know what is right and what is wrong:

1) SECU16IR/Ocelot only outputs at 5V, most emitters are 12V. I'm leaning toward this being false, since my emitter works fine when plugged directly into the Ocelot.

2) There is a JP1 in the SECU16IR that needs to be removed. I have not tried this. But since documentation mentions absolutely nothing about such a jumper, I'm wary.

3) I built one of Guy Lavoie's circuits and that did not help (apparently didn't work at all, so I might have screwed something up on the assembly). i'll try redoing it at some point.

The emitters I am currently using are 8170S emitters from Smarthome.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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#21776 - 04/12/10 08:06 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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Try removing the J1 jumper in the SECU16IR. It can cause odd problems if the inside of the module gets too hot.

Does the comms LED on the SECU16IR stay on solid for a good part of a second when you use C-Max to transmit a remote IR command? This would tell us that the module is at least receiving the command ok.

As for the blaster circuits, there are two different versions: one for the Ocelot/Leopard IR out jack and a different one for a SECU16IR output.

The emitter you are using should work fine on both the Ocelot and the SECU16IR.
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#21777 - 04/12/10 08:25 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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I don't think it's an overheating issue, but I will try removing the jumper. I'll observer the comms LED on the SECU16IR later tonight when I do some testing.

As for the circuits: The one you designed (IR OUT -> 2.2K -> 2N2222 -> 15ohm -> IR LED) is for which one ?

I assume the other one you are referring to is the one that is: IR OUT -> Optoisolator -> 2.2K -> 2N5322 -> 10ohm -> IR LED ? (or something like that, don't remember the specs exactly for that one) And which is for which ?
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#21778 - 04/12/10 12:49 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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The first one you refer to is a blaster for an Ocelot or Leopard IR out.

The second is not quite clear...I don't clearly remember one with an optoisolator. It might have been a variation for another use? Maybe with a connecting block?

Do you have a link to it?
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#21779 - 04/12/10 12:57 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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This is the link to the second circuit I am referring to (the one with the opto-isolator):

http://www.btinternet.com/~jon00/IRBlaster.shtml

What is the second one you were referring to ? And could you post a link to that (the one for the SECU16IR)?

Thanks,

Tony
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#21780 - 04/12/10 01:13 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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I see, that one is a variation on my initial circuit. It is a good one in that it changes the driving signal from a voltage into a current (by driving the LED in the optoisolator) so it emulates a IR emitter and in doing so, eliminates the need for a different circuit between the Ocelot/Leopard IR out and a SECU16IR output. I had avoided putting in a optoisolator just to keep the circuit simpler and with all parts available at Radio Shack, but this one should definately work.

For your problem, you should start by checking out the comms LED on the SECU16IR as originally discussed.
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#21781 - 04/12/10 04:27 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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Alright... did some testing....

1) I switched out the power supply for the SECU16IR. I originally had a 12VDC 600mA power supply powering 2 SECU16s, 2 RLY8XAs and the SECU16IR. I saw some posts on here regarding not enough power (saying don't use the supply provided with the ocelot to power the 16IR). So now I have the following setup: the Ocelot is powered by the delivered power supply (9VDC, 300mA); the 2 SECU16s and the 2 RLY8XAs are being powered by the 12VDC 600mA adapter; and a dedicated 9VDC 850mA supply for the SECU16IR.

2) All the comm lights on all 5 modules blink rapidly in unison. When I send a command thru C-Max to output on Module #2, Zone #0, IR# 11, all comm lights go dark (momentarily) on the SECU16s and RLY8Xas, the comm light on the SECU16IR goes solid at the same time (much less than a second though, I would guess 1/4 of a second).

I have a video I shot, with my iPhone, of the flashing of the lights if you think that would help.

Additionally, on the 2 SECU16s, the power light doesn't stay on all the time (didn't notice whether it was like that before), but they blink really slowly (1 second solid on, 1 second dark). I don't know if this is normal and it only happens on the SECU16s. Both RLY8XAs power leds are on solid.

Still getting no IR output on the SECU16IR. I assume the blinkiness indicates that communication is happening, but I have no way to guarantee that it is...

Tried connecting the emitter to various different zones on the 16IR, none of them produce any output.

Just FYI, all of these modules are brand new, just recently purchased for this project.

Ocelot Firmware: V8.31/58
Application: V3.18

I'm using the latest CMax from AppDig.

All module parameters on the SECU16IR are "255" except for Param1 which is "2" (I assum this is the module address).

I'm completely at a loss to resolve this one... Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks,



BTW, my 16IR doesn't even have a JP1. Space on the PCB exists for it, but it's not there...
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#21783 - 04/13/10 07:35 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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Are the modules all appearing correctly in the list when you access your Ocelot with C-Max?
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#21784 - 04/13/10 07:43 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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Yup
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#21785 - 04/13/10 07:52 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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It looks like it might be a bad SECU16IR. Have you tried some of the outputs numbered 9 and above too? Just asking since there are two sets of driver chips and resistor networks inside the module.
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#21786 - 04/13/10 08:01 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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I have not tried 9 and above. I will try that tonight and post results.

Thanks,

Tony
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#21787 - 04/13/10 08:39 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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Just one other question:

Zones are numbered 0-15, not 1-16, right ?

So when CMax asks which Zone, if I want to use the first zone I put in "0", right ? And the first zone is the second plug from the bottom up on the left side if the module is mounted vertically with the LEDs on the top, right ?

Like this:


+---------+
-| * *     |- * = LEDs
-|         |-
-|         |-
-|         |-
-|         |-
-|         |-
-|         |-
+---------+

Bottom left jack is IR IN, then counting up, Zone 0, 1, 2, etc.
Bottom right starts Zone 9, going up 10, 11, 12, etc

I have the diagram that shows this that came with the module, just making sure I'm not insane...

Thanks,

Tony

Edited by Anthony deAraujo (04/13/10 08:40 AM)
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#21788 - 04/13/10 08:44 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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It might be 0 to 15. I don't have one in front of me. Just make sure they you try some of the upper 8 outputs.
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#21792 - 04/14/10 03:02 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
Anthony deAraujo Offline
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AHA!!!!!!

Plugged the emitter into Zone #15 and it worked. So I'm guessing "half" of my SECU16IR isn't working.

As mentioned previously, these are brand new modules. Any idea how/who to contact to have it replaced ?

Thanks for all your help Guy !!!!

Tony
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#21793 - 04/14/10 03:11 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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Just emailed AutomatedOutlet.com regarding the defective module. Do you think this is something that they will resolve (i.e. send me a new module) or will they punt this to Applied Digital ? Module was purchased 3/15/2010.

Thanks again for your help !

Tony
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#21795 - 04/14/10 06:28 PM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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Since you got it very recently, I'm sure AutomatedOutlet will just replace it for you. They are usually known for good service.
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#21810 - 04/22/10 06:23 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
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Was told by AutomatedOutlet to send the module to AppDig. \:\(

Are the driver chips that are most likely the culprits in this scenario socketed ? Could/Would AppDig send me the chips (if they are socketed) to replace ? That would be much easier than yanking the module out of my installation and sending it.

Anyone from AD wanna chime in ?

Thanks,

Tony
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#21811 - 04/22/10 06:25 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
Anthony deAraujo Offline
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Was told by AutomatedOutlet to send the module to AppDig. \:\(

Are the driver chips that are most likely the culprits in this scenario socketed ? Could/Would AppDig send me the chips (if they are socketed) to replace ? That would be much easier than yanking the module out of my installation and sending it.

Anyone from AD wanna chime in ?

Thanks,

Tony
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#21812 - 04/22/10 06:28 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Guy Lavoie]
Anthony deAraujo Offline
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Was told by AutomatedOutlet to send the module to AppDig. \:\(

Are the driver chips that are most likely the culprits in this scenario socketed ? Could/Would AppDig send me the chips (if they are socketed) to replace ? That would be much easier than yanking the module out of my installation and sending it.

Anyone from AD wanna chime in ?

Thanks,

Tony
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#21813 - 04/22/10 06:40 AM Re: SECU16IR no transmitting IR [Re: Anthony deAraujo]
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The ones giving you a problem are not socketed. You will need to send the whole module.
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