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#18640 - 08/30/07 11:03 PM New HA user looking for ALOT of help!!
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	HI all! This is my first post on this site and it is due to my interest in home automation. I must preface my questions by saying that I have zero programming experience, but I am interesting in diving in to it. Now that that is out there I will ask what will seem obvious to many of you. Things to control: TV's, DVD, Whole house audio, lighting, camera monitoring, ceiling fans(rf receivers in them already), garage door I am not sure where to begin...I have done a lot of research and found that the RTI(remote technologies inc.) has a remote that can transmit both IR and RF, so I figured I could use that to control the A/V components. I have seen that alot of people are talking about ocelot and adicon to control garage doors and lighting but I have no idea how it works. In a nutshell, I have a challenge that I need a lot of help to overcome. Help Please! I have a home that I would like to incorporate some controlling features.(Lighting, home audio system, garage door, camera and so forth) I currently have a NuVo whole house audio system installed(concerto). I am using Open House cameras for outside surveillence.
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#18641 - 08/31/07 07:32 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	Well, you'll need to start small and be specific. You do mention "...people are talking about ocelot and adicon to control garage doors and lighting..." but do you have a spcefic project that you want to start with? Do you have an Ocelot or are planning to get one? How about lighting, the Ocelot currently only has X10 support built-in. Are you planning on using X10 switches for lighting? _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18642 - 08/31/07 07:40 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	Thanks for the quick response Guy. I am planning on using X10 for switching as it is a completely finished house. I have used a couple of x10 devices with the desktop timer, but that is it for experience there too.
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#18643 - 08/31/07 08:05 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	So do you already have or plan to get an Ocelot? A good place to start learning about programming and hardware is by reading the downloadable manual from here: http://www.appdigusers.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/187405/an/0/page/0#Post187405 _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18644 - 08/31/07 11:28 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	yes i was planning on getting an ocelot and an adicon 2500 based on what i have been reading, but i wasn't sure if that was the way to go.
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#18645 - 08/31/07 12:02 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	thanks for the link. I will check that out. how about the garage door? would control/monitor that with the ocelot?
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#18646 - 08/31/07 12:17 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	Just search for "garage door" and you will find several discussions on this forum. People who do this normally get the SECU16 expansion module which has 8 analog/digital inputs and 8 relay outputs. _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18647 - 10/29/07 08:52 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	Well after all of this time I have been able to get some of things I was hoping to accomplish done. I have a hurdle now that I am not sure how to jump over. I have outdoor cameras(3) that are modulated on three channels and sent to each TV. Each TV has a satellite receiver in the same location as the TV. I am trying to figure out a way to have a driveway sensor trigger the SECU16 that would in turn automatically display the driveway cameras on any TV that is currently on for 15sec and then return to what they were watching. I can send IR commands out to the TV's but I dont know how to get it back to what they were previously on. I feel like I am making this more complicated than it should be. Can anyone give me a good solution?
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#18648 - 10/30/07 07:12 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	"Returning to what they were watching" is the sitcking point here. There is no foolproof way of knowing what a TV is doing, unless it is entirely controlled through an "intelligent" system that could keep track of what you last did with it. Few people would be willing to give up the usefulness of the handheld remote in order to be able to do this. If you are willing to settle for a system that will get it right most of the time, then you might be able to do something like setting up a IR receiver to try and keep track of the last input mode that was selected on the TV and have it return to that input after your 15 second input switch. You seem to indicate that the cameras are being modulated to TV channels. If you were watching another channel before that, a channel recall button (and thus IR command) might be useful for going back to the original channel. Likewise, if the system "knows" that you are watching a DVD, you could send it a "pause" command in order to allow you to pick up the movie where you left off, etc. _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18649 - 10/30/07 12:53 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	That makes sense. Does the ocelot have a way to have flags set in the system with different ir commands? Such as IR received indicating DVD input; set flag DVD?
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#18650 - 10/30/07 01:31 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	Yes, you can set flags or variables, do all kinds of logic tests, etc. For example (pseudo code): IF Receive IR #3 //if the code that selects the DVD input was received THEN Variable #5 = 1 //set current a/v mode flag to 1 (DVD watching) IF Receive IR #8 //if the code that selects the TV tuner was received THEN Variable #5 = 2 //set current a/v mode flag to 2 (watching TV) etc... IF SECU16 input #1 Turns ON //if driveway sensor is tripped AND Variable #5 = 1 //and current a/v mode was 1 (DVD watching) THEN Timer #1 = 1 //start timer THEN Transmit IR #110 //press "pause" on DVD THEN Transmit IR #8 //select tuner mode on TV THEN Transmit IR #64 //press "4" THEN Transmit IR #67 //press "7" THEN Transmit IR #81 //press "enter" (tune to channel 47) IF Timer #1 becomes > 15 //after 15 seconds of seeing camera image AND Variable #5 = 1 //and current a/v mode was 1 (DVD watching) THEN Transmit IR #3 //select DVD input mode on TV THEN Transmit IR #112 //press "play" on DVD to resume watching THEN Timer #1 = 0 //and stop timer IF SECU16 input #1 Turns ON //if driveway sensor is tripped AND Variable #5 = 2 //and current a/v mode was 2 (TV watching) THEN Timer #1 = 1 //start timer THEN Transmit IR #64 //press "4" THEN Transmit IR #67 //press "7" THEN Transmit IR #81 //press "enter" (tune to channel 47) IF Timer #1 becomes > 15 //after 15 seconds of seeing camera image AND Variable #5 = 2 //and current a/v mode was 2 (TV watching) THEN Transmit IR #114 //press "channel recall" on TV to resume watching THEN Timer #1 = 0 //and stop timer etc. _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18651 - 10/31/07 02:59 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	Thanks Guy! This will really help alot. Like you said, not flawless, but it should really work pretty well. Thank you. Another question: I am learning IR codes from different devices and I have them under different file names. How can I get them all into the ocelot? I wonder if it erases it's current IR memory when I download a different file?
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#18652 - 10/31/07 07:11 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	See my response in the other thread: http://www.appdigusers.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/191428/Main/191427/#Post191428 _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18653 - 11/14/07 02:23 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	Would somebody please look at this and tell me if/what I am doing wrong. 0030 - IF Receive IR IR #5, from Ocelot // IR #5 (sat) input 0031 - THEN Current-A/V-input = 1 // current A/V input is Sat 0032 - IF Receive IR IR #6, from Ocelot // IR #6 (DVD) Input 0033 - THEN Current-A/V-input = 2 // current A/V input is DVD 0034 - IF Receive IR IR #7, from Ocelot // IR #7 (modulator) input 0035 - THEN Current-A/V-input = 3 // current A/V input is Camera/Fireball 0036 - // --DRIVEWAY SENSOR/SAT INPUT MAIN TV-- 0037 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Driveway-Sensor(PIR) Turns ON // Driveway sensor tripped 0038 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0039 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0040 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0041 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0042 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #108 // press "8" sharp aquos 0043 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0044 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0045 - IF Timer-Driveway-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0046 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0047 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0048 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0049 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0050 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0051 - // --DRIVEWAY SENSOR/DVD INPUT MAIN TV-- 0052 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Driveway-Sensor(PIR) Turns ON // Driveway sensor tripped 0053 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0054 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0055 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0056 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0057 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #108 // press "8" sharp aquos 0058 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0059 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0060 - IF Timer-Driveway-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0061 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0062 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #114 // press "input4" sharp aquos 0063 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0064 - // --DRIVEWAY SENSOR/TV INPUT MAIN TV-- 0065 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Driveway-Sensor(PIR) Turns ON // Driveway sensor tripped 0066 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Carmera/Fireball 0067 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0068 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0069 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0070 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #108 // press "8" sharp aquos 0071 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0072 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0073 - IF Timer-Driveway-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0074 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Camera/Fireball 0075 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #120 // press "last ch" sharp aquos 0076 - THEN Timer-Driveway-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0077 - // --DOORBELL SENSOR/SAT INPUT MAIN TV--- 0078 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Doorbell-sensor Turns ON // Doorbell sensor tripped 0079 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0080 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0081 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0082 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0083 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #107 // press "7" sharp aquos 0084 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0085 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0086 - IF Timer-Doorbell-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0087 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0088 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0089 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0090 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0091 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0092 - // ---DOORBELL SENSOR/DVD INPUT MAIN TV-- 0093 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Doorbell-sensor Turns ON // Doorbell sensor tripped 0094 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0095 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0096 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0097 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0098 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #107 // press "7" sharp aquos 0099 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0100 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0101 - IF Timer-Doorbell-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0102 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0103 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #114 // press "input4" sharp aquos 0104 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0105 - // ---DOORBELL SENSOR/TV INPUT MAIN TV--- 0106 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Doorbell-sensor Turns ON // Doorbell sensor tripped 0107 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Camera/Fireball 0108 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0109 - AND Timer-Deck-Sensor is = 0 // and deck timer is stopped 0110 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0111 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #107 // press "7" sharp aquos 0112 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0113 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0114 - IF Timer-Doorbell-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0115 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Camera/Fireball 0116 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #120 // press "last ch" sharp aquos 0117 - THEN Timer-Doorbell-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0118 - // ---DECK SENSOR/SAT INPUT FOR MAIN TV-- 0119 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Deck-sensor Turns ON // Deck sensor tripped 0120 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0121 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0122 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0123 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0124 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #109 // press "9" sharp aquos 0125 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0126 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0127 - IF Timer-Deck-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0128 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 1 // and current A/V input is Sat 0129 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0130 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0131 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #111 // press "input" sharp aquos 0132 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0133 - // ---DECK SENSOR/DVD INPUT FOR MAIN TV-- 0134 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Deck-sensor Turns ON // Deck sensor tripped 0135 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0136 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0137 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0138 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0139 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #109 // press "9" sharp aquos 0140 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0141 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0142 - IF Timer-Deck-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0143 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 2 // and current A/V input is DVD 0144 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #114 // press "input4" sharp aquos 0145 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 0 // stop timer 0146 - // ---DECK SENSOR/TV INPUT FOR MAIN TV--------- 0147 - IF Module #1 -SECU16 Deck-sensor Turns ON // Deck sensor tripped 0148 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Fireball/Cameras 0149 - AND Timer-Driveway-Sensor is = 0 // and driveway timer is stopped 0150 - AND Timer-Doorbell-Sensor is = 0 // and doorbell timer is stopped 0151 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 1 // start timer 0152 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #109 // press "9" sharp aquos 0153 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #101 // press "1" "" 0154 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #110 // press "enter" "" 0155 - IF Timer-Deck-Sensor becomes > 15 // 15 sec timer expires 0156 - AND Current-A/V-input is = 3 // and current A/V input is Fireball/Cameras 0157 - THEN Module #2 -SECU16-IR, Main-Living IR IR #120 // press "last ch" sharp aquos 0158 - THEN Timer-Deck-Sensor = 0 // stop timer How it is supposed to work: If motion is detected on driveway sensor, then input 2 is turned on via dry contact on sensor and Ocelot changes tv's to ch81 via IR then back to what it was already on through variable tracking. I get the input to turn on, but no IR commands from SECUIR, C-max sees both the SECU16 and SECUIR devices. Also is there a way to see what is happening in the program? i.e. when an IR command is received, is there a spot in the program to see that it has received an IR? Thanks Edited by legorik27 (11/14/07 02:34 PM)
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#18654 - 11/15/07 09:12 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
Guy Lavoie Guy Lavoie Beyond All Hope Registered: 12/21/02 Posts: 6401 Loc: Montreal, QC, Canada	I didn't go through the entire program yet because there are a few things you could check out first with the C-Max utilities. - Can you successfully send the IR commands to your TV (using the SECU16IR) by testing this with the IR utilites in the controller access menu? Look for the "Transmit Remote IR" utility. You will need to enter the module's adnet address, zone number, and IR code number that you want to send. If you can get that to work reliably, then you will know that the IR itself is working and that then it could be a program logic issue. - If you go into the Controller Utilities in the controller access menu, you will see a menu choice to "debug timers and variables". Use that to monitor variable #60 in real time (scroll down until you can see variable 60). Variable 60 will show you the last IR code that was received and recognized. Again, getting this to work reliably will tell you if that is ok, regardless of any program logic problems. _________________________ "If you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly..."
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#18655 - 11/15/07 11:43 PM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: Guy Lavoie]
legorik27 legorik27 newbie Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 19 Loc: MN	thanks I will look into that!
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#18656 - 11/17/07 06:03 AM Re: New HA user looking for ALOT of help!! [Re: legorik27]
chewbarker chewbarker newbie Registered: 01/01/07 Posts: 23	Another idea is to use Picture In Picture if your television supports it, that may mean you do not need to worry about what the TV was doing just function the PIP for the length of time you need it on.
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